Wednesday, May 14, 2008

Council Press Office Oversight?



Thanet Council’s new Cabinet, Chairman and Committee Chairmen for the forthcoming year has been formally announced.


The Council Press release is below. They unfortunately forgot to mention that the shadow cabinet are also Council appointments nominated by the largest opposition group, Labour


They are:


Shadow Leader Cllr Richard Nicholson

Shadow Deputy Cllr Clive Hart

Commericial and Environmental Services Cllr John Watkins

Safer Neighbourhoods, Health and Safety Cllr Michelle Fenner

Housing Cllr Iris Johnston

Finance, Improvement and Customer Services Cllr David Green



Last night’s (Thursday 8 May) Annual Council meeting saw Cllr. Sandy Ezekiel re-elected as the Leader of the Council for the sixth year.


Cllr. Roger Latchford was re-elected as the Deputy Leader for the second year and will continue his work as the Cabinet portfolio holder for Economy and Culture, which covers areas such as planning, the Port of Ramsgate, Ramsgate Royal Harbour Marina, tourism and culture and events.

The remainder of the Cabinet for the Council year 2008/09 is:
Cllr. Shirley Tomlinson
Commercial and Environmental Services (including street cleaning, waste and recycling, grounds maintenance, beaches, environmental enforcement)
Cllr. Jo Gideon
Safer Neighbourhoods, Health and Communities (community safety, leisure services, sport)
Cllr. Zita Wiltshire
Housing (including council housing, homelessness, Renewal Area and private sector housing)
Cllr. Martin Wise
Finance, Improvement and Customer Services

The Council’s Chairman will be Cllr. John Kirby, who begins his second year in the role, with Cllr. Margaret Sheldrick remaining as Vice-Chairman of the Council.

The Chairmen and Vice Chairmen of the Council’s Committees and Boards for 2008/09 were also appointed at the Annual Council meeting.

Planning Committe Chairman Cllr. Ken Gregory
Planning Committee Vice-Chairman Cllr. Simon Day
Scrutiny Chairman Cllr. Bob Bayford
Scrutiny Vice-Chairman Cllr. Mike Harrison
Licensing Board Chairman Cllr. Margaret Sheldrick
Licensing Board Vice-Chairman Cllr. Mick Tomlinson
Governance and Audit Committee Chairman Cllr. Jill Kirby
Governance and Audit Committee Vice-Chairman Cllr. William Peppiatt
Joint Transportation Board Chairman Cllr. Michael Roberts

24 comments:

James Maskell said...

Ah, so you are the spokesperson on finance. Brilliant. Perhaps I can get some answers to the questions I have about Labour policies on Council finances?

Anonymous said...

James

Surely you being closely aligned to Wise should be able to ask him directly? Perhaps all MP's for this area should answer that question - why don't you ask Roger and then tell us what he says.

This is Eastcliff matters not national matters...not that this country matters much these days anyway - due in the main by how National Politics and the miss-behaviour of local politics has dragged our so called democracy into the gutter and beyond at all political party levels?

Ken Gregory said...

David, I think the Vice Chair of JTB is councillor Roberts, as the county take the chair this year. (it was in the members notes)

Tony Beachcomber said...

Cabinet member for economy and culture. Bit of a misrepresentation of the word culture there. Come on James fill me in what the tories have done for culture in Thanet as I am at a bit of a loss there.

Martin Wise (Cllr.) said...

For starters, how about?
a) Delivering an annual Thanet Festival programme.
b) Spending £1.5 million on improvements to the quality of the historic Townscape within the Ramsgate Townscape Heritage and deliver a series of educational programmes.
c) Preparing for the opening of Turner Contemporary through working with Kent County Council on the development process and with joint promotion
d) Supporting the Theatre Royal Trust to develop a vision and strategy to underpin bids for a large-scale capital programme
e) Developing Queens Arms Yard, a key Old Town site for residential and ground floor “affordable” artists studio space including a pedestrian route through the site.

Anonymous said...

Cllr Wise

Perhaps you could elaborate how much the public have lost on the purchase of Marks and Spencer shop in Margate?

Couple all of the loses and the failure to disclose the loses to the public on the tourist grant funding - all's not well with the fiscal arrangements of grants.

if one was to add up all of the KCC and TDC failures to properly manage grants and funding in Thanet we would have had the finest Olympic pool in England instead we have nothing? No smoke and mirrors - just facts...nothing!!!

Anonymous said...

Cllr Clive Hart, like his boss Gordon Brown is not being straight with the people and is putting political considerations ahead of the common interest.

Is it new labour policy to mislead the people?

David Marsh
Cliftonville
( a TRUE socialist )

Anonymous said...

Councillor Clive Hart,
are you a TRUE socialist or have you a right wing agenda?

Trade unions must reclaim the Labour Party! Fight for Party democracy and socialist policies for workers

NEW LABOUR IS OVER - WE NEED TRUE SOCIALISTS AT THANET COUNCIL

David Marsh

Cllr David Green said...

Always ready to answer any question I can James. Please bear in mind I am learning this brief myself.
Point taken Ken, I just copied the TDC press release. I will ask them to re-release a corrected version.
In reply to Martin Wise, it would be churlish not to recognise the efforts being made to revitalise the arts and cultural environment in Margate. One might question how some of it is being implemented, and the costs, but one cannot question the efforts being made.
Having just received an update on progress on the Ramsgate Townscape Heritage I would ask Cllr Wise to look at the lack of progress with this project, now 6 years old.
David Marsh, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. You can contact me directly on dgreen.home@btinternet.com and I will try to answer you or get an answer from Cllr Hart

James Maskell said...

Anon 16:51, if I wanted to ask Cllr Wise questions, I would have asked him rather than asking Cllr David Green...

Thanks. I appreciate you are still getting on top of the brief. I was wondering how the Labour proposal at the last Budget meeting would have worked. From my basic maths, the Council would be immediately short by around £180,000, due to the Labour proposal of only a 2.1% increase in Council Tax. True, Labour has proposed a cut of 10% on staffing costs (not staff numbers of course) to regain £2.3million but that money wont just appear overnight. Im just curious as to how the immediate gap would have been filled.

Furthermore, Labour's recent newsletters in Cliftonville West and Salmestone have a page of proposals and complaints in the name of Cllr Nicholson, a few of them being a cut in services such as Pest Control. Would local Labour have proposed their re-introduction? If so, how would it have been funded, given the budget hole I have alluded to and given there would be an unknown cut in staffing numbers over the year?

Tony Beachcomber said...

Martin

That's interesting regarding the Queens Arms yard, have TDC finally found out who the owners are to some of the land at last.

Getting back to my original question, it does sound impressive and festivals are a good idea and you do talk big money. But your party is busy trying to reinvent our heritage and neglecting what we all ready have. A fine example is the Tudor House there is hardly a penny spent on it,the repairs are shoddy and it is closed.The museum service is on its knees, then the public own a collection that could be worth upto £1 million which they have never seen.
Throughout Thanet there are many things symbolic to local people which TDC are prepared to neglect in favour of grands scheme. Culture and Heritage begins at grass roots.

Anonymous said...

James

Who created this hole then?

Ian J said...

I to like James would like an answer.

Why are we selling capital assets to support running cost?

I always understood this was the last resort of the fiscally incompetent, If we assume that the current leaders are business persons, with their own well run and profitable business, then we are only left with the choice that this is a deliberate policy, made for reasons other than need.
What could these reasons be? Could it be that these assets are being sold to business partners? Perhaps to fund the purchase of some printing equipment?

The truth is that the Tory party and it's underhand and less than honest appointee's are yet again stealing the social fabric of the area for their own political gain. The only reason the ever gained power in Thanet was by scaring the OAP's by saying that other parties would put them personally in the poor house and they would be forced to sell their house to fund their polices, were as the Tory party in Thanet is busy selling off property they don't even own, to support their policy of, well exactly what is Tory policy for Thanet? Just think about it for a minute, what is Tory policy in Thanet, there isn't one, not one single policy that offers the people of Thanet one single thing of value, just more of the same old penny pinching, gutter squabbling Tory windage.

In all the time the Tory party have been in power in Thanet we have seen nothing but decline and squalor spread across the area, from the decay in Clifftonville, which is now call little (insert location of latest refugees) driven by Rackman style landlords, to the fiasco that is Manston airport via the destruction of Ramsgate, where everything the council touch turns to dog faeces, including the dog faeces, this isn't a group of people driven by a wish to serve the public, but by personal greed and a loathing for anything that comes close to helping a neighbour, the Tory party from it's creepy leader and it's pseudo Christian, foreigner hating ethos (unless they can make money out of them), is just a party based on hate and fear, a Tory vote is just a cross in the box of self loathing and darkness.

Vote Tory and live in fear, because just like the Nazis one day they will come for you.

James Maskell said...

Read the second paragraph anon 07:57.

Are you seriously comparing the Conservative Party with the Nazi Party Ian J? I can understand people having hostility to the Conservatives, but thats just not cricket. Thats the gutter squabbling which you dislike.

Ian j said...

If the cap fits.

Anonymous said...

Ian.
You are in the moral guttter. I am Conservative and my Father fought the Nazis in the War.

I respect good people, Labour, Liberal and Conservative alike, but you have shown yourself to be nothing more than a cowardly gutter snipe.

Pete Sanders
Broadstairs

Anonymous said...

I would never vote Tory. But I have to agree with Pete. Ian, you need to live in Zimbawe and then you will know what a Nazi-like party really is.

You blame others because your lack of self respect.

Mo Francis

Ramsgate

Ian J said...

Oh! this old humbug again, no he fought the Germans. And so did mine, the truth is members of the Tory party, an extreme right wing nationalist party, are only interested in two things themselves and forcing others to conform to their interpretation of what is right, we all know what they think of "Moral degenerates" you know single mothers, gays, travellers and the unemployed", yer! you got it, how about we put them in a 'hospital' and cure them or maybe how about a 'camp' give them a 'short sharp shock' or two until they mend their ways, and how about 'there's always a job if you really wanted one' all they have to do is uproot their family and move somewhere else.

I'm not impressed or convinced by your protestations, ultra right wing fascism is the same were ever it comes from.

James Maskell said...

"ultra right wing fascism"

Thats the Conservative Party under David Cameron???

The Nazis were not right wing. The straight line political spectrum doesnt really work regarding dictatorships because they are pretty much the same thing (authoritarian control of civil life through state coercion). Stalin and Hitler had apparently left and right wing beliefs yet their methods were exactly the same. The best way to think about it is a horseshoe where the more extreme you go the closer you get the totaliarian dictatorship which is equidistant from the centre. The straight line political spectrum actually uses authoritarianism as its most left wing point and full blown laisse faire libertarianism/non existent state as its most right wing point. Therefore if you are using the left-right straight line analogy, Nazism and Communism are both extreme left wing.

The argument that the Nazis were right wing is a myth that gets debunked once you start A Level History. They get split at earlier years because to split them up makes it easier to explain why Communists and Nazis fought each other.

Anonymous said...

Ian

Would you like a bit of fish to go with the chip on your shoulder?


Ian.. Why don't you go and live in a nice communist country?..

As for the Nazi nonsense, the Conservatives have more gay members than the liberals.

You are just making yourself look like a total fool.

Del

Cllr David Green said...

James

I think it depends upon what you mean by right and left wing. We tend to define them in terms of economic theory nowadays, and in that sense I can agree with you up to a point.
However, their defining characteristic was their fierce nationalism, which they do share with most right wing parties, even now. Hence the Tories focus on Europe, Immigration and Scotish/English representation, even under Cameron.

Ian J said...

Well Del,
I just happen to be gay and if you think the Tories have more gay member that the Libs per cent wise I think your living in dream land.
Although I notice you don't claim they have more single mothers, travellers or unemployed or even heaven forbid Ethnic minorities

And If you can't understand the difference between Right and Left wing politics then perhaps you need to move abroad, perhaps to that hot bed of right wing, conservative, politics and bastion of European harmony 'The former Baltic States'.
Where at least your conservatives friends are willing to stand up and, be counted and proclaim exactly what they stand for, racial and religious harmony, understanding for minorities of all shapes and sizes, good old Tory values, I don't think so.

Ian J said...

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

He we go, try this link and see just were you stand..probably not were you think!

Isn't it strange! I attack a political party, were as all the response are direct attacks on me personally.
And so many people who seem to think they know me,now there's a nice bit of sterotyping for you!

But then personal attack on people are the norm for Thanet Tories, even at civic functions they can't resist the desire to slag people off and throw personal comments about..

James Maskell said...

The left-right straight line regards nationalism as left wing. Thus, Deutschland Uber Alles. The Soviet Union had the same philosophy.

As for the Conservatives, conservatism as is its nature is scepticism of dramatic change. Immigration, European integration and devolution are such causes which warrant such scepticism.

The National in the Nazi title was nothing more than a trick to show that they werent Communists. The public were so sick of the Weimar Republic that they were looking for anything to replace it.
Nationalism is part of Socialist philosophy. The idea that everything must be given to aid the State for the betterment of the people is definitely not a view of right wingers.

The lie about the Nazis was a trick pulled by the Socialists because the reality is that authoritiarians are all the same and the Socialists hated the idea of being linked to them. So they came up with the idea that rabid nationalism is right wing. Logically it cant be. How does the individual ceding full control to the state apparatus match up with the idea of the state leaving the individual to be free to do their own thing? It isnt logical.